I agree, I think that David needs to leave and take Wes with him. He reminds me too much of Alex Carev on Grey's Anatomy and he's too much into his career. I think that he's on there only to get recognized.

I surprisingly liked Brian, the guy who ripped it all off at the rose ceremony and jumped in the pool, but she gave him the boot. You're right, it should have been Mike.

I felt the same way about the breakdancer Mike. I thought he seemed too cocky, but he's growing on me for sure.

Tanner P. the foot fetish guy, needs to leave. He's creepy.

I think Jake is going to take it. He's almost perfect. Maybe too perfect? We'll see.

From the preview for the season I'm almost positive they showed Jake hanging over some sort of balcony, crying.

As David would say, his Man Points went down for that...but I wonder what it was for.

Supposedly Wes is the one with a girlfriend outside of the house, and another says they're only there to become the next Bachelor.

Well duh, most of them there are fame-seekers! No surprise there.

I love Michael! He's himself all the way, and I think he takes the whole process with a grain of salt, which is good.

Tanner creeps me out..and I think he creeps Jillian out a bit too. She wasn't too into him hanging on to her foot.

I love Jake. If she dumps Jake, I'm going to propose to him. Seriously ladies, he's dorky and hot. What's not to like about that??

I wish we saw more of Sasha and Ed. Sasha was on my top 10 from the start, and Ed looks like he's fun.

Dave and Wes...D-bags. David's teeth are way too plastic. He looks like Guy Smiley. And Wes isn't making too many friend in the house.

All in all...I think Jill is smarter than a lot of the bachelorettes. She knows what goes on in the house, and she has her eyes open for jerks.

If I was Jill...I would've stopped with Jake on their one-on-one date!!! They danced PERFECTLY!! And they look amazing too!!! I love that he is looking for everything she is. And he is totally himself!

I don't like Tanner P (the foot fetish guy) he's creepy with feet!!

I'm not sure about Kiptyn yet but he's cute in his own sort of way but I don't think he'll make it just due to the fact she is scared that he hasn't ever been heart broken! But from my experience, what guy has??

Wes is out to further his career.

Dave is a tool shed!! But absolutely correct about Juan!

I kind of like Robby D in a way. He's himself I think.

Reid, I'm not sure if I like him yet or not.

Michael the break dancing guy needs the boot! (In my opinion) she just doesn't seem like that type of girl.

I think Jill is smart, but yet she is oblivious to the fact that Juan is just saying the things he needs to, to win her!

And....who's Mark?

He was spotted a couple times throughout last night's episode but I haven't seen the dude at all! If he doesn't get a 1v1 date next episode or some face time he'll for sure get the boot.

he needs to shave!!!

Oh no...Jillian...what is the matter with you?
I can not believe that she let Sasha go. She has D-bags and foot loving weirdos, and okay, Juan is kinda slimy.
Yet she let's go of Sasha, who is sweet and pretty hunky. And she completely blindsided him with it.
Maybe she isn't so smart? It's hard to remember that she doesn't see it all...but Dave wished she could have seen his fight with Juan...Me too. Whether he is right or not, I hate dudes who get drunk and mean.

I hate to say it but Davids intensity is really hott. He totally seems like a cheater and a jealous creepy though so out he goes. Ide bet my right kidney he's out next week.

Breakdancing Michael is adorable and hilarious! I dont know if she's gonna fall in love with him but he is definetley a keeper so far

Foot Tanner needs to go. Enough said

Kipton is a sweetie so far.

And Jake.... Oh Jakey. He is gorgeous and super sweet but here's my one dig. He's the kinda guy every girl dreams up and you know the saying "Nice guys always finish last" Well we'll see but I dont think it'll work out for him.

My sister loves Robby and Reid, but they dont really stick out to me.

And last but not least Wes. Creep. Possessive and ridiculous. And if I hear that stupid Love dont come easy song again Im gonna pour acid in my ears!

Be careful about betting your right kidney. There are millions of people walking around that only have one kidney and dont even know it! Just an FYI!

From other Bachelor/Bachelorette seasons, it has come to light that the person already has their favorite 4 or 5 guys after the first night or first round of dates. Then the Bachelor/ Bachelorette agrees to keep some people that the producers want to stay for obvious drama factor. This year David and Juan are being kept for that reason. You can tell when she gave David the rose. She did not want to. She was shaking and visibly upset.

Guys she obviously likes and those that arent so obvious.
Obvious: Jake, Robby, Reid, and Ed

Not obvious (so makes me think he might be the one): Kiptyn (however it's spelled). Already there are talks of doubts about him. Not much one on one shown BUT she makes out with him anyway.

Wes is a wildcard. I think she likes him but realizes he is there for "the wrong reasons".

Who is Dave? Tanner P is obviously kept on by producers. He is a freak about the toes and that is all that they show about him.

I like Mike and Michael. But not much seen from them except for their gay cowboy scene. Would like to see more.

Ugh, I meant who is Mark? I wish we could fix our posts...:)

I could NOT believe she let Sasha go and then kept DAVID! OMG, he is SO ANNOYING and SO immature!! Did anyone see the look on her face when she said his name? It kind of made me think that she didn't want to keep him, which leads me to believe they tell her a few men she has to chose in order to keep up the ratings... for drama. I really hope that's not the case since she needs to chose with her heart, not because of ratings! She could have had something with Sasha.

On the other hand, I think that Jake is going to win it.

I really want David and Wes to go home! They annoy the hell outta me. I agree If I hear that love song one more time, I'm gonna punch Wes!

Juan gets on my nerves I can understand David to an extent. He is just so fake.

Tanner the foot guy is just weird.

I'm rooting for Jake, he is the best guy for her I think. I'd take him any day. My second choice would be Kypton or Reid, they seem like nice guys.

Kypton is cute but their kisses are so awkward!

David is controlling with anger management problems. stay far far away Jillian!

Now Jake...Oh Jake...they feel like they belong together. He is every girl's dream and seems genuine. I'm in love with him and I've been married for 20 years! lol. I hope she picks Jake. It would be a beautiful match.

I like Kypton and Wes

I am completely content with tonight's eliminations

Though i think Mike was a good guy he came on really strong and they didnt seem to have a connection....

David.. is probably going to hate himself after watching how bad he came off and if I were him Id be thankful I was not kept on longer to make a fool at of myself.. how cocky and unattractive could one person possibly be...

Juan just erked me .. im not sure what it was... i think the tone in his voice just made him seem really insincere ...

AS FOR MY FAVORITES....

I have a feeling about Ed.. I know its crazy but I think he will make it to the top 5 if not the top 3 and possibly even take it all the way.... there is something about him .... he just seems so genuine....

Jake seems like an amazing guy ... super dreamy and i dont even like blondes BUT i think he is going to get his heart broken... and she knows it... I think he will make it to the top 3 but be eliminated soon after ... but i could be very wrong... i think she might be worried about his perfections though

Kypton is ADORABLE that kitchen scene was way to cute and real... when he came up behind her and kissed her on the neck .... they just seem to fit.... they could completely be content and shop together and on the other hand go on an adventure all in the same day ... i think he is in my top 5 for sure.. will review about a possible top 3 spot

Reed is one of the ones i think is going to suprise us all... we havnt seen much of him but i think he is going to ease his way into the picture and have a few more great moments with her for sure

Robby ADORABLE .... he just seems like a complete sweet heart but almost in a first crush kind of way ... i cant remember how old he is but he seems a little less mature in his experience with love.... i think he might leave crying

Michael the breakdancer seems like he just wants love soooo bad....and he is soooooo much fun! whats not to love about him... part of me might think he will end up being a little too young spirited for jillian

Now for my strong dislikes .... just like everyone else

tanner p... seriously dude.... the foot thing is sick.... and i would have thought way higher of him if he would have just been like listen im the one who said it and bite the bullet.....

Wes.... I think wes is busted... i think he is going to go home for sure this next week... he doesnt have anyone else fooled... and i dont think he will leave with a fight i think he will say something corney and have a girl giving him a lap dance in the bus on the way back

Kip, Ed, and Jake....and if Jillian is crazy enough to get rid of Jake I vote his as the next Bachelor.

Juan creeped me out! There is a difference between "sexy Spanish man" and "trying to hard cuz I got a dildo and a hamster in my ass"

Kip's dumbo ears kinda get to me but he's a def cutie otherwise. And I agree Chelsea about the whole kitchen scene and coming up behind her, super adorable.

Wes has gotta go, Tanner P was only kept around to be her snitch.

Robby is 25 and a bartender...he'll prob get the boot soon.

Interesting thoughts. I am with you on the Jake train, but I just think she says he is "too perfect". I think Kypton is adorable and and Reid and Ed are up there too. I just think Reid needs to get in there.

The right people were gone last night and it looks like Wes the obsessive cowboy are out of there next week. Hopefully it's along with Tanner P, the foot freak.

If Jake is the next Bach...I'm going on the damn show!
This Bachelorette is like a love lesson. I mean..we all say we want the Jake's and the Kiptin's, but we all end up dating the Dave's, the Juan's and the Tanner's.
Those guys are charming on the surface. We'd probably all think they were so great if all we ever saw of them is what Jillian sees.
For once, I hope the nice guy does finish last...right up to the last show.
My faves:
Jake, Kiptin, Ed, Michael.
Reid and Robby are sweet, but I don't know if she's that into them.

Okay, here are my pics as the final three:
Kipton- He is adorable, and seems to be her type. The kiss on the neck from behind did Jill in. I think he may go all the way!
Jake- Who wouldn't LOVE Jake? He is handsome, smart, intelligent, but is there such a thing as too perfect? I don't know? They had a GREAT time together on the one on one, dancing to Martina McBride and dressing up cowboy style! These are things they are both into...so he may be a close second. If she does not choose him, I agree that he would make an awesome Bachelor on the next season!
Ed- He is just so sweet and handsome in a quirky way! I think he is the dark horse in this!

As for the remaining guys:
Wes- He is just a user and there for himself...I wish Tanner would have had some balls and just told Jill about Wes's back home GF!
Tanner- The foot fetish thing is creepy,,,he gotta go! Plus he's a wus (see above)!!!
The rest of the guys kind of blend together...nothing really stands out. I am soooooooooo happy that David and Juan are gone! David was so full of himself and seemed very controlling! Juan was very soft spoken and romantic, in a creepy way! Kind of like those men that seduce women back to their place and then rape and kill them!

They never gave Mark any face time but he's super cute. Looked better with a little bit of facial hair but either way, doable.

I like it when Reid wears his glasses, hated Jesse's hat on the boat...still heart Michael.

I wish when David asked Jillian "Why?" at the end of the rose ceremony she would have just said, "Cuz you're a douche bag bro!"... Done and done.

My friend's 2nd cousin was in a relationship with Ed when he applied for the bachelorette. I guess he told her and she was like, are you kidding, why? He said he just wanted to see if he would get picked...
I don't know what happened after that, if they are still together of not.
But what the hell why would you apply for the bachelorette if you are in a relationship...
So this makes me wonder about him, especially b/c he seems like a sweet guy on the show.

So he potentially could be another one of the dudes who 'has a gf' and gets ratted out.

Because they did say more than 1 had a gf.

Wes should voluntarily go he has already played enough music that he will get a contract if that is what he is after. I wouldn't buy anything he put out just because of the way he is getting publicity.

Jake, although I did pick him in my 3, is a pilot -- isn't that kind of like a sailor a girl in every port? He is almost way too good to be true. Why isn't he in a relationship if there isn't some lurking problem.

I think Kiptin might be the dark horse to watch. He isn't all wrapped up nice and tight like some of the guys, but he has a whole lot of good going on for himself.

I was just so glad to see the Juan/David tag team go home. Icky boys.

I think Jillian is pretty smart, but in my opinion she shouldn't consider it a negative thing if I guy has never had his heart broken or seems too perfect.

I can say that the love my life, when I finally found him, was one of those "too perfect" guys. He really is a wonderful, amazing person, though has some lesser faults, of course. And sometimes it's hard to live up to the perfect guy, and I feel like I'm not good enough sometimes, but he is truly my soulmate and it's just part of the relationship. If I had passed him up because he seemed too perfect then I wouldn't have been so happy now. So I really hope Jillian doesn't give up on guys like Kiptyn and Jake.

Cheating Bad Boy vs. Too Perfect...Hmmm let me think....

I'm hoping she definitely keeps Kiptyn and Jake around, and I would like to see more of Jesse too. I'm not sure about the others, but I really hope Wes goes home, and probably Tanner as well.

Wes is trying to be Kenny Chesney!

My friend and I would totally go on the show if Jake were the next bachelor!

Jillian is stupid for keeping Wes and getting rid of Jake...i just want to go to Canada and find her and tell here how stupid she is!

i think jillian is stupid for getting rid of jake and not sending wes home!! ugh wes is such a snake!! why can't jillian see that?? i would've totally sent wes home and gave jake his rose!!

i do like michael in a weird way now that the show has gone on.

i am glad ed is back but why not send wes home!!! UGH!!!!!!!!!

its just frustrating on how we see things but she can't!

Yeah I think Michael is adorable. Too bad he's too young for her. I could have SWORN I saw him specifically on some of those Spain date trip-clips. Oh well.

I liked Michael, and I think he genuinely liked her the best out of all the guys, so I don't think she should have sent him home.

I'm not sure how I feel about Ed coming back. They missed out on a lot of time to get to know each other, and it was at the expense of great guys like Michael and Jesse. But I guess that he really feels something for Ed, so that's good at least that she's following her gut.

And can I just say: UGH!!! WES!!

im late to the show,, who the fuck is this Ed guy? how does he just get to come back after missing rose ceremonies and meeting families? seemed really really unfair to mike and jesse.

I HATE the fact she brough Ed back, BUT she gave him that rose and when he left he asked her if he could keep it, she said yes...TECHNICALLY that rose is what got him in the rose ceremony last night IMO. Totally unfair to Kip and Reid...and Michael.

Todd: Ed was on the show but "supposedly" got a call form work (when they have no contact with the outside world) in which his boss gave him an ultimatium..it happened when they were in Canada the week before the train ride, I believe. So Ed left but he got a rose frm a 1v1 with Jill..he asked Jill if he could keep the rose and she said yes...duh would DIDN'T see Ed comming back eventually?

I told Chris that Mike AND Steve should be the bachelors..twins would be nice! Plus Steve is cuter than Mike, but they are both adorable.

YES! I dreamt of Jake in the captains uniform for a week, well worth it altho Jillian is a chickenhead and Jake is boring with his perfectness...a true gentleman but he would make a boring bachelor IMO

I definately dont think it was fair that Ed got to come back! But I guess it is her decision!

WES NEEDS TO LEAVE *NOW*!
I dont know why she doesnt see it yet...even after "the perfect man" told her! it just made it worse for her to go meet his family...and i swear one of his "sisters" was really Laurel! But then again it is Jillian that has to figure all of this out, not me, and it is her life that will be ruined!

I'r really sad that she sent home Mike and Jesse! but she cant have all of them in the end!

That was supposed to be "I'M really sad..."

Haha I didn't think that one of his sister s was really Laurel, but that would be hilarious in a weird way!

She's going to get hit really hard when she finds out the truth about Wes now that she's had fair warning.

Ohhh it will hit her really hard when she finds out! But she cant say that she didnt have any idea! It will teach her that maybe she should listen to some honest people once in a while!

I missed this thread. (Most likely because the tv forum is riddled with VH1 ridiculousness)

Toni, they do have some contact with the outside world now. It is closely monitored by ABC, but some are able to do some work related activities and talk to family members as long as nothing is said about the show. This is why the people that do all the spoilers are having a harder time. They used to check facebook and myspace pages and when they logged on last, etc. But, now the producers let them log on throughout the filming so its hard for the "sleuthers" to access that information.

Also, when did ou talk to Chris? I agree on the twins for the next Bachelor would make a great twist.

Twins would be a good twist and I think they're always looking for that. But did Steve have a girlfriend? I don't remember. If not they should def take advantage of that!

yeah i think it might be kinda cute if they did have a twin-twist!