I think Kevin and at have the jury votes that is why I am not understanding why Jeff did what he did. As if Natalie can win anything, she would be the perfect person to keep. They should have eliminated Kevin who can win or gets close to winning. Then removed Russ next week...or not. Russ does not have the jury votes like Nat and Kevin do. UGH, Jordan or Michelle had better win HoH or Jeff is history.

It's it ironic that Kevin and Nat's lie turned out to the the truth? Altho I hate the fact that Jeff "believed" the lie, Russ did admit in the DR he was going after Jeff and Jeff needed to get him out last week. Russ is completely untrustworthy and it's getting to the point a lot of the comps will be endurance, get Russ out and Jeff is the strongest in the house.

Jeff needs to offer Kev a F4 deal and get Kev on his side, then get out Michelle next week. Kev and Mich don't talk so he would be covering his ass. I think Kev would drop Nat in a heartbeat if Jeff sincerley offered.

Plus you forget Kevin may NOT have the votes considering Jessie didn't like him, Lydia was pissed he didn't use the veto, Russ didn't really talk to him if he gets evicted this week...so other than Kevin winning cash which Jeff can use against him, I dont see Kev getting the votes to win the game in the end. Mrtini, how do u think Kev got the votes, did you forget there is no Chima on the jury? And Kevin hasn't done shyt in the game besides win 5k and not use the veto when he wasn't even on the block, he fucked his own partner (Lydia) when he should of kept Lydia and gotten rid of Nat because technically Nat could be throwing the comps considering her athleticism. So NO, Todd, I don't think Kevin has the jury votes at all..He will get maybe 2 tops (Nat and maybe a pity vote from someone who is pissed at the other finalist).

Dude, kinda a mistake to do it this week. I think if they took out Nat and not inflamed crazy ass Russell that would have been better on the game. I think That the only reason that makes sense is in a final 4 of J/J and R/M could backfire on them. I just hope they effing get the other two out and keep Michelle.
Worst case scenario for next week is Crazy Nat winning HOH. She seems like she will cut a bitch. I would bet she would put up J/J and hoped Michelle switch.
I dont know. This show is nuts. These people are freaks. And I am some sort of sadistic voyeur who keeps tuning in.

Lay off de bong, Toni.... Lydia would vote for her Sugar Bear over Natalie or Jeff in a heartbeat.

well i said he could get 2 votes (nat and lydia) jessie igged his hug and never like Kevin. I don't think Kevin would get one vote out of J/J, Mich or Russ. I think once lydia got to the jury house she may remember Jeff saved her ass, she was acting ut of anger due to jessie and now she knows jessie's played her, so lydia could give jeff her vote over kevin, who didn't save her when he could have. Kevin was more worried about Chima comming after him to use the veto on lydia and it backfired. Lydia let her vajayjay rule her emotions and told then to vote her out, so they did. c'est la vie to the wench with the fugly tats

I agree that it is a clusterfuck and it's because of Russ himelf...they thought they were F4 strong until Russ's paranoia kicked in this week. I don't blame Jeff at all, if Russ won HOH next week J/J would be up, or at least Jeff anyway. All Russ had to do was stfu and ride out the week, but no, he couldn't do it. Michelle is more loyal to Jordan than Russ. If you cant trust your alliance, why keep them around?

See. I think that Michelle was thinking, dude, Russell is my chance at a f2 because you know J will take J. WTF is f3? Nothing but the first loser. So I totally get her aligning with him more so, but keeping J/J close for comfort. I think that M/R would probably beat out J/J in a comp. So it is a good move, but I cant stand Natalie.

Jordan and Michelle grew close and J/J offered Michelle F3...then they included Russ for F4...so the 4 were an alliance but Michelle and Jordan have a secret F2 (jordan was smart to cover her ass just in case something happened to Jeff. Jeff doesn't know everything lmao). Mich & J/J agreed to get rid of Russ later and they were gonna get rid of Kevin this week cuz Nat doesn't win anything but Russ' mouth is what caused J/J to backdoor him this week. Michelle didn't forget how Russ screwed her with that house meeting and threw her under the bus. She dont trust his ass either.

So the 4 of them were tight, until Kevin and Nat made up the "we overheard russ say he's comming after you next week" which happened to be exactly what Russ told Michelle. Russ believes Michelle when they agreed F2. That is why on Sunday Russ was saying "if Jeff was smart he'd take me or michelle out now." Russ started shit with everyone and dont forget Jessie and Nat still blame Russ and Michelle for ROnnie's eviction (Russ was HOH and Michelle won POV that week). That is also why Jessie was concerned over Chima putting Russ up, since it was personal and they were in the same alliance. Once Russ and Chima went at it, Jessie and Nat sided with Chima and left Russ hanging...that is when Russ flipped to Jeff. Jeff gave Russ the HOH only if Russ went after Ronnie andJ/J were safe..Mich was still the swing vote (J/N/C voted for Lydia and K/J/J/M voted for Ronnie)
Russ has not spoke to Kev until he was on the block, shopping for a vote. Russ was down with Jessie/Nat/Chima, but not Kevin.

Although I see the logic of keeping Russ, he's a wildcard. Honestly he's not that different from Mich, always flip flopping to whoever had power. Russ was a bully AND a floater and yanno being a floater is like the BB kiss of death (just like Kevin)

grrrr, I posted a long reply. Where the fuck did it go???

Yeah I get that Toni,
But what I was saying was- if it came down to a f4 with J/J/M/R then it would split to JJ and MR and M is tougher than J with R being a loud wildcard and good at shit and that is what I think frightened JJ.

I think that if Kevin or Natalie win HoH, Jeff is going to look like the biggest fool. Kevin and Nat can both use that in their final 2 speeches. Not getting out Kevin was stupid. He is usually in most games 'til the end.

Nat/Kevin vs. Jordan/Michelle in the final 2= Nat or Kevin winning. They will play the "good guy" card to Jessie, Lydia, Russ and Kevin/Nat. The only one who has a chance at beating ither of them in the final 2 is Michelle cause Russ would vote for her.

Michelle needs to win HoH. Im not putting much faith in Jordan. She won HoH because of Jeff's chivalry. I do hope all her studying this week pays off, it would be nice to see her win it on her own. It would help her chances to win at the end.

I think it was the best thing for him to defer the win to Jordon. I mean he knew he was safe AND then still got to compete. It was the best thing.

I think Kevin or Nat had to go this week and then Russell next week. Mais c'est la vie and let's hope it does not come back to bite the HPOA, well, in the ass.

Hold on, let me slowly read these damned initials LMAO.

I get u, but in all honestly wouldn't it come down to the POV winner? at this point in the game, POV winner has a lot more control over the game.

1) J/J have been Jedi Drilling like mad, and even beat Natalie (BB9) by using q-tips to count shit. I was quite impressed jordan came up with that. So when that counting question comp comes, J/J have an advantage. Michelle admits she knows the order of events, but not #s of items

2) Even if R/M win HOH, if J/J win POV than the other (R/M) is going up and J/J control the votes. Jeff and Michelle win vetos. If Michelle wins veto, she may still put Russ up considerng her F3 alliance. That is where the crapshoot comes in, IMO. J/J really don't trust Mich at all anymore.

All J/J need to do is win POV and they still have 2 votes and control the eviction. Part of me wonder's if Jeff isn't considering keeping Russ after all? Think about it. Right now Jordan and Michelle could vote for Nat and Russ can stay cuz there are only 3 votes. Could be a "scared straight" attempt but damned good tv, no?

Mrtini- lmao where did it go? I wanna know what you're thinking

I was thinking that too.
I mean why else isnt Russell all up in Jeff's face? Could it be a test on Michelle?
My guess is JJ... not that smart. R.. not that good of an actor. Jeff jumped the shark a bit.

LMAO MOLL GET OUT MY HEAD! I'm now thinking Nat "could" get the boot and then they lie and tell R/M they never were gonna betray the alliance, but Russ was pushing it. Then get rid of Russ next week. I think everyone in the house would vote for Russ "if" they decide to bring Kevin into the F4 alliance.

Russ is big on "owing" someone. Remember he was saying he would vote jeff's way cuz he owed him for dropping in the HOH. Jeff could say Russ owes him for that Jessie vote (which is why he keeps crying about it cuz Russ' dumb ass got caught as the only vote for Jessie)

EXACTLY. Like the "fuck you! NO fuck YOU!" I was like GTFO this is all a joke right? It didnt' even seem serious on R's part

If it is a hoax and you went and poked the bear and made him angry... doesnt that make you a bigger target?

And what would be the purpose of saving Kevin if you could have just gotten Nat out straight up? It is not like they talk hardcore game with them- just lies and pandering to whatever they want to hear.

OMG, girls...I was wondering the same thing. BUT, I thought it was wishful thinking cause I really cant stand Nat and Kevin.
What is nagging at me is HOW much BB played the "Russ getting backdoored". They usually arent so OBVIOUS. They like suspense. So, it makes me wonder what is being said in the diary room.

Okay, kids are driving me nuts...hungry or some shit. I'll be back in a few to tell you all my thoughts.

They should definitely vote out Natalie. That way they won't be lying because they promised to use the veto to save one and to put up Russell. They need to think long run. If either of them are up against Natalie or Kevin in the end, who do you think will end up winning?

UGHHH I too had a big post I lost while I'm over here multitasking.

Lost post short:

Mrtini-If Nat wins HOH, you can make me an avatar. I doubt that bitch can win a HOH and if it does happen, hell will freeze over and Andy will burn his sandals.

Also, if it is a question HOH between Jordan and Michelle I think it can go either way. Remember Jordan and Michelle went hed-to-head in the before/after HOH to thepoitn Julie had to ask a tiebreaker. M won with 50 and Jordan picked 60. She's not as dumb as people think

Ummm, Toni...Andy's Yukatans are no more. Not burned but all chewed up. Where does that put us in the hell freezes over department?

Im mostly worried about Kevin winning HoH unless someone can psych him out. He does get nervous waaaay to easy.

that's right, God bless that dog of theirs! But I bet HE WILL if he hasn't, buy another pair of those monstrosities

Maybe Jordan will flash her vajayjay at him, that would scare any gay off HAHAHAHAHA

I dont think Jordan is that dumb. I think they were afraid of Michelle choosing R over them.
Who doesnt Kevin like? I mean, Michelle? Still leaving one. I think Kevin would put Jeff up over Jordo. Who knows, they all can play for POV at this point. Effing kill or be killed.

I dont know. As I said, these cats are loco. I can tell you undeniably, that I do not want Natalie or Russell to win. They would be stupid to keep Kevin around long because he would win the 500k easily against M or Jeff.
I dont know. I am just rambling now.

Fuck, is it Thursday Night yet? They do this to us on purpose...

OK, this is simple. Toni is wrong, as usual. Jeff fucked up by putting up Russell. He should have left the two numbnuts on the block to break up that pair. Russell said he wouldn't put Jeff up or vote for him, and I believe he was telling the truth.....for now. Anything can happen and that promise is most assuredly bullshit BUT for this week I think the meathead would have stuck to it. Now shitforbrains has to hope that evenmoreshitforbrains wins the HOH or he's fucking toast. And no way that silicone breasted floozy can win anything. Bye Jeff, you fucked up.

That said, this is around the time where the only thing that matters is who has HOH and who wins veto. Let's see, 5 left, 1 is HOH, 2 on the block, 2 vote. OK, so not quite there yet....

All The Best/Toni Is A Dumas

LMAO who gives a fuck if YOU think Jeff is telling the truth! Most of us are smart enough to do the complete opposite of whatever you do

How am I a dumbass when you can't do BB math with your "OK, so not quite there yet" crap LMAO. 6 left, 3 cannot vote, 3 left (Kev, Jordan, Michelle). Kev ain't buy Russ's BS considering this week was the 1st week Russ een really talked to Kev (and that is what kevin was saying last night, so dont' say I'm saying that shyt). And did I not say about it's really about who wins POV at this point too, considering they can still play for HOH the following week? lmao it's like u mentally block out the things I type you agree with and THEN tell me how wrong I am while typing the exact same shyt!

Andy- I would LOVE to play BB with you. Seriously, who woudl think we are a secret alliance? It's brilliant?

I was talking about next week, fuckstick!

And as usual, I read about 2/3 of your first post in this thread and got bored and didn't read the rest of your drivel.

We wouldn't make it as a secret alliance because one of us would kill the other first. That would be the end of the alliance....

AND another thing. I was talking about RUSSELL telling the truth. RUSSELL is the MEATHEAD, JEFF is the DOUCHEBAG!

Back to your hole...

when the hell did Russ tell the truth and WHY are you punishing all of us using your baby pic as your avatar?

Russ said in the Diary Room that it would be smart to get him or Michelle out. He DID talk to Michelle about getting out Jeff. Poor Andy only knows what CBS wants him to know. Hahhahahha! Watch BB After Dark, douche!

Andy would be HORRIBLE, I do mean HORRIBLE at this game. I would love to be in the house with him. I am thinking he would be a cross of all the negative qualities of Ronnie, Braden with a tad of Jerry from last season.

I was thinking Andy would be like a Howie/Ronnie combo...annoying, full of shit, overconfident, and kicked to the curb with nothing

Hahhahahhahahahaha!

I would outlast all you scamps, that's for fucking sure.

Tards! Yeah, I said the T word. GFY's

OMG, Andy only lasted into the Fafa game cause of WHO??? Who?
If you cant thank me at least thank Newt.

hahahahahaha Andy would take the car day 1 and wonder why he got voted off the 1st week